Is God Bad for You?

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angel.jpgWhen I was growing up my parents never told me how to believe or what to believe when it came to religion. One Sunday I would go to the Baptist church on the corner. The next Sunday I would go to the Methodist Church around the corner. They asked me each time how I felt about the experience and each time I had to admit I was not impressed. I even went to Vacation Bible School one Summer and made crafts that depicted Jesus Christ. I never got it.

To this day, I still don’t get it and I wonder what all the fuss is about. So, I’ve been doing some research and have arrived at the conclusion that religion’s affect on society leans more towards the negative than the positive. So let’s take a look at what people are saying about whether or not God is bad for you.

First, in an article in the December issue of Scientific American, Michael Shermer Scientific American [with $5 Bonus]author of a book called Why Darwin Matters reports that in a study published in the Journal of Religion & Society, religious societies in eighteen developed democracies, are worse off than secular societies in regards to homicides, STDs, abortions and teen pregnancies. Surprising, huh? What is even more surprising in this study is that the U.S. scores the highest in religiosity (a belief in God, biblical literalism and frequency of prayer and service attendance) and the highest (by far) in these same negative social conditions. He goes on to say that the reason may be that these problems may have other causes entirely, or secular societies work better with such problems, or these problems are best fostered within the famility unit and not within a reiligious framework. But what is clear from this study is that there is an inverse correlation between religiosity and societal health.

In another aritcle in the Wilson Quarterly, Phil Zuckerman, an The Wilson Quarterlyassociate professor of sociology at Pitzer College, writes that “the most secular countries — those with the highest proportion of atheists and agnostics — are among the most stable, peaceful, free, wealthy, and healthy societies.” He reports that the top five nations on the United Nations’ Human Development Index — Norway, Sweden, Australia, Canada, and the Netherlands — are all in the top 25 in proportion of non-believers. Even more impressive is that the nations where citizens have abandoned religion by choice also tend to do better on measures of well-being such as life expectancy, literacy, income, and education. Highly religious states do poorly.

However, when it comes to charitable giving and volunteering, religious people fare better. According to professor Arthur C. Brooks, in his book called Who Really Cares, he reports that religious people donate 30 percent more money than nonreligious people. In fact, they are more than three times more generous than secularists to all charities. And also, people who are religiously observant are less likely to commit suicide than others. These observations may indicate that religion may provide more comfort to the individual and offer some type of positive reinforcement through giving.

But do religious people donate because of guilt and fear or because they truly want to? Experience has taught me that religion has the tendency to make people feel guilty about a whole myriad of things. I know, I sat in that church pew. So they think to themselves, ‘hey, I’ll just drop some money in a bucket, then I’m done’. Whereas, nonreligious people tend to think along the lines of personal responsibiity and accountability. Aethists I know do not tend to rely on others for assistance. They tend to be more self-sufficient and concerned with what they have more control over, such as family and friends. They work more within the framework of the family, not with extended, interconnecting networks.

I also have observed that many religious people seem to feel they are ‘off the hook’ somehow because their God forgives their sins just by believing (how convenient). In the more moderate of these ‘off the hook’ behaviors are those who are rude and abusive to others in personal and financial matters. In the more extreme behaviors, even killing is justified, ‘in the name of God’, of course. Look at extremists who fight ‘holy wars’ because God tells them they are ‘right’ and everyone else is an infidel. Their jihad is to eliminate non-believers. What a minute — that’s you and me.

What all of this is telling me is that God may be good for some of us some of the time, but not good for all of us all of the time. This of course, is contrary to what religious leaders want us to believe. They get their power from their numbers — the more numbers, the more power. They want us to join the church, build our lives around it, live a compliant life, and give to the church, of course. In reality, religion is a big business — a really big business. And a business that doesn’t appear to be giving us a good return on our investment. So, when I read of evangelicals who state that non-believers can’t find the words to express why life is worth living, I think — it is the non-believers who are living the ‘right’ life. What do you think…is God bad for you?

  • Good points. It's not God that is bad for people, but people's concept of God. That is what distorts their perceptions and fragments their world into acceptable and nonacceptable. If you equate God with absolute wholeness and infinite consciousness, there is nothing left but God. God is all, including the Moslems, the Hindus, the Jews, and the Buddhists. But tell that to a narrow minded neo-conservative fundamentalist Christian and you'll probably be called a God damned communist.

    It seems to me that religion has no more to do with God than kindergarten has to do with higher learning. A Buddhist priest and a Catholic priest will never understand each other because of the differences in their respective religions. But a Buddhist monk and a Catholic monk will know each other perfectly because they have the same inner experiences of higher consciousness and peace.

    So for the monks, God is the source of their being and they know it. For the priest, God is only something to argue about.

    Sorry to go on for so long. But a good article to discuss.
  • You are absolutely right! It is the concept that is killing us. But why have a concept of 'God' at all? Or are we so immature in our evolution of thought that we insist that we are made in the image of God? So God has to look like us...be male or female, old or young, forgiving or fearful?

    Those are all relative terms and I believe 'God' or whatever you want to call it, does not exist in relativity. God is absolute, all powerful and all loving. So, 'it' doesn't care one way or the other. It loves us all because we are all One.
  • Kenneth Bradley
    God is Love. God is Faithful. God is Our Heavenly Father. For God so loved the world, that (that is you and me) he gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. [KJV] John Ch 3 v16 is available for all to see, read and understand. This is the Word of God and it is worthy to mention how we see so many changes occuring rapidly all around us the Word of God is unchangeable. Yes, we know that Christ will return again and enjoy 1000 years of peace on earth before that demon the devil will be cast into the lake of fire with the Beast and the Rich Man who has been longing for someone to tell his family of the torments that await them and the pleasures that Lazurus is currently enjoying. You only have to accept the simple fact we are all Sinners and God loves Sinners like you and me but He makes it abundantly clear, He hates Sin. As you read these few simple remarks, you have yet time to acknowledge you are a Sinner and accept that Christ has died in your place so you do not have to die unless you are really dense and stupid. You can accept this finished work right now and be happy for time and eternity. May God Bless all of you who are yet unsaved and bring you to the way of the Cross.

    Yours in Christ,

    Kenneth Bradley born again at age 25 now aged 73 so he has walked with me now for nearly 50 years.
  • I appreciate you comment Kenneth, but... Holy Shit! Ha. Sorry, could not help myself!

    What are you trying to say? It seems that you are regurgitating only what you are taught/told to say. None of these convoluted words sound like your own; they are not unique, original, thoughtful, insightful, and definitely not intellectual. Are you nothing without the bible to quote from? Can you give no unique thought to this kind of intellectual discussion?

    Did you not even read the article above? What you are saying has no relevance to our discussion. Although it is quite textbook for someone that is of religious devoutness to forcefeed their ideology on someone else without even considering the context of what is being discussed.

    I am sorry to say, all I read in your comment is ignorance and arrogance. I find no difference between your ideology and the muslim extremists' ideology. Your blind conviction is irrational, illogical and is exactly what has caused the holy wars that we are in today and have been in for centuries. Your type of belief has killed more people from war in the name of God than all non-religious wars in the history of the world combined. Your religion has no room for difference of opinion. So, in essence, who is the really dense and stupid one? Definitely not me, I have my mind, heart and soul open to all humans. Not just the ones that feed my falsely inflated ego.

    So, in a way, thank you for giving more reason and legitimacy to what this article has conveyed. I welcome you to continue this thread, but please, lets make this a real debate. That means you have to actually listen to what we have to say. Then make a legitimate rebuttal. Not just regurgitate biblical quotes like verbal diarrhea.
  • Kenneth Bradley
    I really did think the original author had some intelligence. However, in reading this irresponsible reply with filthy undertones tells me this fool is most foolhardy as well as being incapable of understanding or having any form of manners. This is, of course open to anyone so it is not up to this individual to welcome anyone or otherwise. He talks about being schooled and it is unfortunate he has not been so blessed judging by his illjudged superiority. He is a most unfortunate person and I trust that maybe he will come to terms and accept God is the creator of all things and he is clearly an active as well as like us all sinners by nature.
  • Dear Kenneth,

    First, I would like to apologize if my undertones were not mannerly. I do tend to get carried away when people of a religious devoutness come with such a heavy hand just as you have done. My intention is not to hurt, but to make obvious the consequences of your condemning, judgmental behavior.

    When the religious start their ranting, people of the non-religious, the minority, usually do not stand up and counter the argument. We just tend to not react because this is the status quo. BUT, YOUR IDEOLOGY IS NO BETTER THAN MINE OR ANYONE ELSES, SO IT IS MY DUTY TO RESET THIS STATUS QUO AND PUT EVERYONE ON A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD (Obviously, I have a passion for equality of all mankind. Not just the ones that agree with me).

    It is funny how you speak about responsibility. Yet, you come into this discussion without any care/concern of the content or matters of discussion. When you enter into these communities, you are responsible for what you say, and what you said was judgmental and inflammatory. So, I am holding you accountable for your behavior.

    Then you speak about my so called lack of manners. Well, what do you expect? I will write your words back to you. You said, "You only have to accept the simple fact we are all Sinners... you are a Sinner and accept that Christ... unless you are really dense and stupid." This is, in its most simple form, inflammatory. Then that is what you get, an inflammation or agitation as a consequence. So in fact, you were the one that was originally unmannerly.

    As far as the ill-judged superiority, weren't you the original one to shout out what is factually right and wrong? That your way is the only way. Here is what you said, "Yes, we know that Christ will return again and enjoy 1000 years of peace on earth before that demon the devil will be cast into the lake of fire..." Who said this was fact. If you cannot prove it with science, it is a belief. Nothing else.

    Like I said before, did you even read what was written? This article had very legitimate issues facing today's communities that are backed up by research and facts. Yet nothing you said offered any insight into what was written. We, the non-religious, have heard what you have just said a million times, and no, it does not offer anything legitimate. It is just what it is, preaching.

    You may not understand what I am trying to convey because you may not be able to see life on the other side of this fence. Your christian religion does not teach open-mindedness; it, unfortunately, teaches the opposite.

    PLEASE TRUST ME WHEN I SAY THIS. If you love your ideology, and it makes you happy, then fine. Truly embrace this belief, but please do not believe that your mission is to convert others to believe the same. As long as it is kept to the individual and not pushed onto others, the world will be a better place.

    REMEBER, your are now in the realm of intellectuals, so be accountable for what you say because if you cannot back up what you say with some real, legitimate arguments (not irrational, illogical arguments stated before), then you will get what you have always received. Rejection.
  • Kenneth Bradley
    We are very much aware that some intellectuals, and I did say some, are of reasonable intelligence and some are even very intelligent while others are just downright inferior to mankind. We know they are excessive emphasis on abstract or intellectual matters, esp. with a lack of proper consideration for emotions. You seem to fall into this sad category. Your denouncement of the Word is sad and I am confident your failing attitude will tell you very clearly, there is a way that seemeth right unto man but, the end thereof is death. Death here clearly means eternal death of the soul where the rich man is currently experiencing for his refusal to accept the truth. There is, of course, no-one in this world who can change this except you unless you wish to proceed along this very wide road that will lead you to destruction. I sincerely hope not.

    You have clearly arrived at the wrong conclusion about me despite your claim to being of an intellectualist so you make me stand very much indoubt of anything you have said to date. First and foremost, your term and mention of my Christian religion is totally irresponsible since I have nothing whatsoever to do with any religion. Religion in my Book is a defilement leading others astray by manoevre. There are numerous great men who have become linked to religion and would never approach or imply they were intellectuals.

    If your so called view of intellectualism had any bearing of value, why do you not tell us why our past and present life span is so variable. We can easily see current improvements throughout the world in many countries and you are probably one of those who will present your stock replies we are fed up listening to.
    However, I will give you the benefit of my doubt till you respond.

    I am pleased to note the moderation of your comments so I thank my God for this improvement and trust your moderation will continue. It is so very true, my God does work in mysterious ways so, if you can harkin a little closer you might hear what He is saying to you instead of continuing along a road of no return.

    Kind thoughts,

    Ken
  • Dear Kenneth, This will be my final statement to you. Please note that there will be a lot of care and thought that will go into the following statements.

    WHAT I AM GOING TO DO FOR YOU AND ANYONE ELSE THAT MAY READ THIS THREAD IS BREAK EVERYTHING DOWN INTO VERY SIMPLE TERMS. I will write what I want to convey without judgment or malicious intent. My initial reaction is to become annoyed with how you are handling this debate, but I am going to respect you as a human being. Something I believe you have not done for me, so I will be the first to take the risk.

    Most of what you write is very convoluted* by definition with a condemning* and judgmental* slant. I come to this statement because of your own writing. You stated the following: you are a Sinner and accept that Christ… unless you are really dense and stupid... while others are just downright inferior to mankind... your failing attitude. Sorry, but, again, this is condemning and judgmental by definition.

    You, unfortunately, have no consideration and concern for the other person. I come to this conclusion because YOU ARE NOT READING/PROCESSING ANYTHING THAT I AM WRITING. This is communicating to me that you already have prejudged everything that is being said. When I, on the other hand, have some type of rebuttal for you, I refer to what made me come to that assessment. No assumptions are being made on my part!

    PLEASE LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY! I have never personally attacked you, unlike what you have done to me. I have only commented on your writing or your ideology. Which you readily put forth on the table for examination by commenting. In addition, anything I may have done unmannerly was not only apologized for, but my true intentions were also stated. But, for some reason you have not even recognized this. You just went right to attack mode. Telling me you are quite insecure with your belief.

    IN MY OPINION, you have put forth very little on the table other than continuously being disrespectful to me as a person? Which does not really bother me, but it does say a lot about your character. Although your 3rd paragraph actually has a question in it, the answer you seek is not only stated in the article you originally commented on, but is within my first comment above. This not only reaffirms what I have stated in the 3rd main paragraph above, but it would be completely redundant to answer.

    I would like to refer to your statement about being an intellectual* and the lack of emotion. When I am in a debate with political or scientific issues, I remove emotion because it does not belong. Hence, why the founders of our country included the separation of church (being of emotional/irrational/illogical) and state (being of logical or rational) in the building of our government. You do not solve national crisis with emotion or religious thinking, you actually worsen them. A list of very strong examples of the fallacy in not separating the two are: Catholic Inquisition, Salem Witch Trials, GENOCIDE of the Holocaust, GENOCIDE at Darfur, Sunni and Shi'ite holy wars, GENOCIDE at Rwanda, GENOCIDE of the Native Americans and last but not least the impending mass genocide of the Israelites by the Muslims (Iran and its leader). ALL of these horrifying events happened because of heavy emotional involvement in politics or blind religious devotion. Funny how when someone refers to massive devastation the say, "of biblical proportions".

    I would love to go on, but I am quite assured that you do not even care for civilized discourse*. I actually believe that you will not even really read any of this closely. So, here is your test; purple monkeys usually dance at midnight with zucchinis in hand. If you have actually read this article then repeat this sentence in your reply. If you do not, then we will know for sure.

    IN CLOSING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ONE THING THAT IS VITALLY IMPORTANT IN CREATING PEACE IN NOT ONLY THIS COUNTRY, BUT THE WORLD! Please understand that your ideology is not fact or better than that of a buddhist, atheist, lutheran, spiritualist, muslim or anything else that might be of difference to you. This popular biblical ideology that you have, can be VERY dangerous if taken literally (refer to the above historical events).

    Take care brother, it has been quite the exciting adventure dealing with you and your personality. I hope you enjoyed your Christmas and enjoy many more to come.

    * If you do not know EXACTLY what these words mean, please go to dictionary.com. This is not meant in disrespect, but is very important to the meaning of my writing.
  • Kenneth Bradley
    The continual repetition of your inadequate thinking is barely worth a reply since it is so contradictory to every item on the current agenda. You are uniquivicolly of very bad communicative behaviour you do not deserve a comment from a prime and proper citizen of this country.

    It is very possible you hail from some uncivilised part of this sad world of people who Jesus gave His life for despite the earlier forecast that few there be that will enter in by this beautiful open door wide enough for all. You are unfortunately, so self opinionated you go so far to say, you have no emotions, this is a terrible misunderstanding and you need to get to terms with this before you start entering into discussions. However, I am delighted to see you acknowledge Christmas the remembrance day of Our Lord's birth in 003BC and despite your personal opposition He is remembered throughout the world. Of course. prophesy tells us very clearly and not in the ambiguous and inadequacy your statements provide limited information there will be worse times to come before His return than some of the limitations you have barely related to in your passing. This tells me quite simply, you have a limited knowledge you are entering due to your own misunderstanding. It would not be a bad idea for you to return to a level you can understand before striding outside your limits.

    In closing, thank you for your complimentary remarks of having enjoyed our brief exchanges which I trust will be of help to you in the future.

    Every kind thought

    Ken
  • Every kind thought? If that was kind, I would hate to see mean. Your seem to get more aggressive and hateful as this progresses. Although, I have actually become nicer and more respectful to you.

    WELL KEN, YOU FAILED YOUR TEST! In the eighth paragraph I presented you with a simple test which PROVED MY theory. Please, look at the 8th paragraph in my last comment before your's above starting with: I would love to go on... All you had to do was actually read what I had to say and repeat this sentence:

    purple monkeys usually dance at midnight with zucchinis in hand.

    Thank you for proving to me and everyone else, the hypocrisy of religion / biblical ideology. I urge you please do not continue with this thread, as it is getting real nasty. Lets keep it clean, many thanks.
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